How many women do participate in this? I can see none.
I'm unable to view this video in my country however I presume you're showing something with males committing violence. Should I give links to 10 videos to females committing violence? What would it prove ?
This is nothing to do with feminism in true form this is just man bashing/ blaming and I think it goes women a dis-service.
Yes, sure, but nevertheless 99,9% atrocities are done by men. Mental agression is one thing and murders and concentration camps another.... Of course, there are bad women, no doubt about it.
I suppose you are making a point. But those stats say that for every 1 agressive woman, there are 1,000 aggressive men.
So you are telling us that all those murders and those evil women account for less than 0.1 percent of the population? This rose-tinted attitude is really what gives feminism a Bad name refusing to accept that women are and can be as sadistic as violent as dangerous as men given the opportunity and the motive. Equality starts when we say there are bad people in this world. And do not feel the need to identify them by gender.
To be frank, I can't see anything 'rose-tinted' or some other way tinted in the matter. How many women were in the SS, for example? Or khmer rouge? For me it is just facts and nothing about sexism. Maybe it's something wrong with my country - our murderers are mostly male. If somewhere females are equally violent it's OK with me too. But so far I have such views as I wrote.
Those were sexist times, or sexist countries. They did not encourage, or allow women in to find out if they were aggressive.
Scientific studies have shown women soldiers to be not only better at killing, but more likely to kill when the first opportunity arises.
It is also a fact that most torturers are pressed into service. They are not volunteers.
How many women do participate in this? I can see none.
That is a video of men's soccer. I doubt if more that 1 in a thousand attendees are women, and even, how many would go without their male partner wanting to take them. Women do become soccer fans, but it is a tiny amount.
Yes, sure, but nevertheless 99,9% atrocities are done by men. Mental agression is one thing and murders and concentration camps another.... Of course, there are bad women, no doubt about it.
I suppose you are making a point. But those stats say that for every 1 agressive woman, there are 1,000 aggressive men.
No, it's percentage of atrocities not woman/men ratio Plus, it was just a figure of speech - maybe 98%, maybe 99,99 %. It depends
How many women do participate in this? I can see none.
That is a video of men's soccer. I doubt if more that 1 in a thousand attendees are women, and even, how many would go without their male partner wanting to take them. Women do become soccer fans, but it is a tiny amount.
OK, it is men soccer, but there's always plenty of women on grandstands, not 1 in a thousand. But OK, there are female soccer games - is there any video where women behave like these guys?
Maybe if you gave us your point of view and your ideas of feminism, tell us why its so important to you.
You might find there is more support than you think its just that many of us don't go in for big gestures or flag waving.
Well, I think that I found here quite good support. My guess is that feminism is equality in rights for women and it's quite important since women are much more peaceful creatures than men and should be in politics in the same number as men. How many female ministers had Hitler, for example?
In your statement, you’ve stated that it is important that women have equal rights because women are much more peaceful creatures than men. Correct me if I understood it wrong.
Using Hitler to prove your supposition was lacking of context. Hitler viewed women only as mechanical womb for the great pure Aryan race reproduction. Due to patriarchal views at that time, women had no chance to participate in political roles. They were excluded.
You are not actually looking into this. You have got an obsession, and you are purely looking for supporting evidence.
Your heart. Easy, madam.
Why not give Lazy more opportunity to express and explore
Jan 25, 2023 5:49:16 GMT cattleya said:
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Jan 22, 2023 16:09:15 GMT lazy said:
Well, I think that I found here quite good support. My guess is that feminism is equality in rights for women and it's quite important since women are much more peaceful creatures than men and should be in politics in the same number as men. How many female ministers had Hitler, for example?
In your statement, you’ve stated that it is important that women have equal rights because women are much more peaceful creatures than men. Correct me if I understood it wrong.
Using Hitler to prove your supposition was lacking of context. Hitler viewed women only as mechanical womb for the great pure Aryan race reproduction. Due to patriarchal views at that time, women had no chance to participate in political roles. They were excluded.
Sometimes it is kinder to be honest when people have lost the plot. I certainly don't think that you should be handing her a spade to dig herself in deeper.
It's not friendly.
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Well, I think that I found here quite good support. My guess is that feminism is equality in rights for women and it's quite important since women are much more peaceful creatures than men and should be in politics in the same number as men. How many female ministers had Hitler, for example?
In your statement, you’ve stated that it is important that women have equal rights because women are much more peaceful creatures than men. Correct me if I understood it wrong.
Using Hitler to prove your supposition was lacking of context. Hitler viewed women only as mechanical womb for the great pure Aryan race reproduction. Due to patriarchal views at that time, women had no chance to participate in political roles. They were excluded.
Yes, it's correct. But from my point of view it should be realized by an equal proportion of men and women in power. I think that its the only way to avoid wars and violence. Hitler was only one example. It can be said about any totalitarian regimes. The more peaceful a country, the more women are in power there. Just my views, I don't try to prove that I am absolutely right.
lazy I’m not sure if equal number of men and women in power could avoid wars and violence. Perhaps if all, regardless of gender, are “peaceful creatures.” You have a high regard of women, that’s good. Nevertheless, you don’t discount the existence of bad apples too. I have a question, if I may. Would you think that some men are peaceful creatures, too?
a_muppet I don’t know about the spade. I have an inquisitive mind and it’s through conversation that I fill in the blanks. If anyone is losing the plot, and we are not, is it not more friendly to find the truth and maybe show the real plot. After all, this is a forum. Of course, there are rules. So, lazy just a reminder that misandry cannot be tolerated here. I’m not sure if you are inciting misandry and if not then you have to communicate that well enough. The forum prefers relatively peaceful creatures
lazy I’m not sure if equal number of men and women in power could avoid wars and violence. Perhaps if all, regardless of gender, are “peaceful creatures.” You have a high regard of women, that’s good. Nevertheless, you don’t discount the existence of bad apples too. I have a question, if I may. Would you think that some men are peaceful creatures, too?
Let’s drop Hitler, shall we?
Yes, sure I am not a sexist. I just see things as I see them. If somebody shows me a photo of women behaving in such a way just because some ladies are wearing red scarfs and other blue scarfs, I will change my position in a moment. I saw a lot of such things in reality and can't remember a single woman.
As I say an example of any totalitarian leader will work. We can take Saddam Hussein. I can list hundreds of such guys, but no women.
lazy I understand where you're coming from. What you see is what you believe. IF that's how you take things as fact then nothing can alter your position until you see or experience them. More like a "doubting Thomas." However, it also makes me wonder if you are more susceptible to having confirmation bias in this particular matter. No one is exempted in having confirmation bias but some people are more susceptible due to predisposing factors. Hmm.
You are correct on any totalitarian regime lacking of female dictator representation. Do you have any idea why, aside from the premise that women are peaceful creatures? Societies led by totalitarian leadership are also patriarchal. Historically, patriarchal societies limit/exclude a lot of opportunities on women to have. Patriarchal societies help create women in different mould. Hence, there were/are no female dictators emerged.
But, hey, look way, way back in the history of countries who had Queen/Empress. You would see historical accounts of ruthless women leader once upon a time.
The photos you've shared are images of typical vicious brawls among men. Sure. Women do these among themselves too. Google it.
Perhaps, try re-focusing your lens and that can assist you see the world in a different perspective.
I'm going to ask again, do you think some men are peaceful creatures too?
Last Edit: Jan 26, 2023 17:10:09 GMT -5 by cattleya
It's true, you can find a lot of videos of women fighting online, usually over really dumb things, too.. like fighting for a man who is technically cheating on both of them.. which is no different than some men being destructive over something silly like their sports team losing (or winning even).
I know of one fight within recent months between two women that resulted in the death of one of them because the other tugged on her hair and was throwing her around to the point it broke the woman's neck.
Another story was a woman killing her own sister with a knife because she felt jealous and insecure about her boyfriend playing online video games with her.
And let's not forget the women who steal babies by cutting them out of pregnant women and pretending it is theirs. I can go on and on..
It always depends on the individual. There can be aggression and abusive behavior in men and women, so maybe we should really say aggressive/angry/abusive (evil, selfish, etc.) people should not be political leaders lol
Last Edit: Jan 26, 2023 17:19:35 GMT -5 by heatherly
FYI for those who have not read/heard about confirmation bias.
"Confirmation bias, is the tendency of people to favour information that confirms or strengthens their beliefs or values and is difficult to dislodge once affirmed."
FYI for those who have not read/heard about confirmation bias.
"Confirmation bias, is the tendency of people to favour information that confirms or strengthens their beliefs or values and is difficult to dislodge once affirmed."
That's a majority of people when it comes to politics and science ;p
lazy I understand where you're coming from. What you see is what you believe. IF that's how you take things as fact then nothing can alter your position until you see or experience them. More like a "doubting Thomas." However, it also makes me wonder if you are more susceptible to having confirmation bias in this particular matter. No one is exempted in having confirmation bias but some people are more susceptible due to predisposing factors. Hmm.
You are correct on any totalitarian regime lacking of female dictator representation. Do you have any idea why, aside from the premise that women are peaceful creatures? Societies led by totalitarian leadership are also patriarchal. Historically, patriarchal societies limit/exclude a lot of opportunities on women to have. Patriarchal societies help create women in different mould. Hence, there were/are no female dictators emerged.
But, hey, look way, way back in the history of countries who had Queen/Empress. You would see historical accounts of ruthless women leader once upon a time.
The photos you've shared are images of typical vicious brawls among men. Sure. Women do these among themselves too. Google it.
Perhaps, try re-focusing your lens and that can assist you see the world in a different perspective.
I'm going to ask again, do you think some men are peaceful creatures too?
No, I see what I see and I believe in what I believe I am a pluralist and my position can be changed any second when I see proofs that I am wrong When hitler/mao/SS women is shown to me I'll admit that I am wrong. As well as women who do these among themselves. I just have to see it for myself. I have already answered that yes, of course, and not some but a lot of men are peaceful. But any SS-like organization consists of men mostly.
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