Oy... The states that made discriminatory laws are getting a lot of flack.. so I'm assuming it will be changed eventually. Very sad, though... I hate it even happened... I live in one of those states, and it has a lot of very forward, progressive people in it who are ashamed and dismayed.
It is fundamentalists, pure and simple. They manage to tap into ordinary people's fears and before you know it, loving thy neighbour is all very well, if they are just like you....
I really could care less about how British visitors to America act or vice versa. Both cultures of each nation are founded upon imperialism and if they want to disrespect one another than it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Not my problem honestly. Though, Britain 🇬🇧 still seems sour about the loss of territory in North America despite that being territory they never had any legal claim over.
Matthew 25:40, NRSV said:
And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.
I really could care less about how British visitors to America act or vice versa. Both cultures of each nation are founded upon imperialism and if they want to disrespect one another than it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Not my problem honestly. Though, Britain 🇬🇧 still seems sour about the loss of territory in North America despite that being territory they never had any legal claim over.
Methinks, you missed the point. Cherry's link was to her government's travel advice about the US...how the UK government sees us. Our United States are not so united, in that pretty important laws regarding substances, alcohol and lifestyle are different across all states. It seems to me that one has to do a lot of research to plan their travels around areas where they may or may not enjoy life or be welcome, especially if one is LGBT.
Methinks, you missed the point. Cherry's link was to her government's travel advice about the US...how the UK government sees us. Our United States are not so united, in that pretty important laws regarding substances, alcohol and lifestyle are different across all states. It seems to me that one has to do a lot of research to plan their travels around areas where they may or may not enjoy life or be welcome, especially if one is LGBT.
I figured that I misread something. Despite all that my post is still valid in how I view this weird rivalry between the British and Americans. Though visitors should also take precautions if they are any ethnic minority such as, but not limited to, Arabic or Middle Eastern, black descent, or Chinese or any Asian ethnicity.
Matthew 25:40, NRSV said:
And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.
Though, Britain 🇬🇧 still seems sour about the loss of territory in North America despite that being territory they never had any legal claim over.
It might sound like sour grapes but it is just me playing devil's advocate again :-
I would just point out that the only people who might have any real claim to North America are really the original native peoples, Indian races etc. White, Black and other more recent immigrants are really illegals
It might sound like sour grapes but it is just me playing devil's advocate again :-
I would just point out that the only people who might have any real claim to North America are really the original native peoples, Indian races etc. White, Black and other more recent immigrants are really illegals
That was the implication, yes, but the black community should probably be excluded from your list since they essentially earned such a claim with the amount of blood that was spilled on it against their will. They weren’t immigrants. They were essentially no different than Europeans re-introducing horses to the continent.
Matthew 25:40, NRSV said:
And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.
It might sound like sour grapes but it is just me playing devil's advocate again :-
I would just point out that the only people who might have any real claim to North America are really the original native peoples, Indian races etc. White, Black and other more recent immigrants are really illegals
That was the implication, yes, but the black community should probably be excluded from your list since they essentially earned such a claim with the amount of blood that was spilled on it against their will. They weren’t immigrants. They were essentially no different than Europeans re-introducing horses to the continent.
I make no exceptions. You could look at the example of the white people in Australia as many of them were actually there as prisoners being deported from the UK, and some French as they were prisoners in the West Indies. History is littered with such occurrances.
I make no exceptions. You could look at the example of the white people in Australia as many of them were actually there as prisoners being deported from the UK, and some French as they were prisoners in the West Indies. History is littered with such occurrances.
That's... not even comparable. That's... very uneven. Unless such prisoners were greeted with harsh slavery involving years of mental, emotional, and physical trauma, even death, as well as subsequential trauma from the years of segregation, as well as, numerous attempts to circumnavigate laws implemented to criminalize slavery. Not to mention such struggles carrying over to the modern day. I fail to see how this is even close to a comparable situation.
Matthew 25:40, NRSV said:
And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.
I like history. I started reading an American history book a year ago but did not finish it due to other priorities. I will come back to it (These truths by Jill Lepore) when I'm no longer full of wood dusts or paint on my weekends. jen, I have a question. When you said, "real claim," do you mean land claims or ownership or something else? A bit of explanation can help my dusty brain learn.
I like history. I started reading an American history book a year ago but did not finish it due to other priorities. I will come back to it (These truths by Jill Lepore) when I'm no longer full of wood dusts or paint on my weekends. jen , I have a question. When you said, "real claim," do you mean land claims or ownership or something else? A bit of explanation can help my dusty brain learn.
Land claim for the most part as it was territory which was being mentioned. I just saw it as a bit false for the settlers and the British to be fighting in the war of independence for territory which was the home of the indiginous American people.
I like history. I started reading an American history book a year ago but did not finish it due to other priorities. I will come back to it (These truths by Jill Lepore) when I'm no longer full of wood dusts or paint on my weekends. jen , I have a question. When you said, "real claim," do you mean land claims or ownership or something else? A bit of explanation can help my dusty brain learn.
Land claim for the most part as it was territory which was being mentioned. I just saw it as a bit false for the settlers and the British to be fighting in the war of independence for territory which was the home of the indiginous American people.
Thank you for defining it clearly. What is interesting for me, really, is that there aren't much global news on the native American Indians. With all due respect to members from US, I have noticed that political news stay pretty much about "black or white people" (anyone find this politically incorrect, pls correct me on how to better word it).
There should be more inclusion for Native Americans. My wish. My wish. One day, that America will have a president with direct Native American ancestry. It's about time for Native Americans to rise!
I really could care less about how British visitors to America act or vice versa. Both cultures of each nation are founded upon imperialism and if they want to disrespect one another than it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Not my problem honestly. Though, Britain 🇬🇧 still seems sour about the loss of territory in North America despite that being territory they never had any legal claim over.
Did you not check out the OP at all?
The thread is 7 years old. The document that it is referring to is a live document, and in 7 years it might just have changed an awful lot, or been completely re-written.
Governmental advice is very much a floating feast, and were it to stand still, it would be utterly ludicrous.
Best to read through old posts more thoroughly before responding to them.
I am so against this? When are we going to stop discussing paying for your ancestors' sin? where will the money come from? people like me. Why am I being punished for what people who have been dead for over a century did?
I am so against this? When are we going to stop discussing paying for your ancestors' sin? where will the money come from? people like me. Why am I being punished for what people who have been dead for over a century did?
I agree and when will the blame game end? Can my OH get compensation for his relatives who were condemned to work like slaves in the poor house of London? Can I claim for the oppression of my Catholic ancestors? At what point are we going to accept that this was history we may not like it but we cant change it or be held responsible for it
I am so against this? When are we going to stop discussing paying for your ancestors' sin? where will the money come from? people like me. Why am I being punished for what people who have been dead for over a century did?
I agree and when will the blame game end? Can my OH get compensation for his relatives who were condemned to work like slaves in the poor house of London? Can I claim for the oppression of my Catholic ancestors? At what point are we going to accept that this was history we may not like it but we cant change it or be held responsible for it
I just wonder how many of these people who are advocating paying these reparations are actually chipping in themselves?
I agree and when will the blame game end? Can my OH get compensation for his relatives who were condemned to work like slaves in the poor house of London? Can I claim for the oppression of my Catholic ancestors? At what point are we going to accept that this was history we may not like it but we cant change it or be held responsible for it
I just wonder how many of these people who are advocating paying these reparations are actually chipping in themselves?
I just wonder how many of these people who are advocating paying these reparations are actually chipping in themselves?
Everyone will that pays taxes.
Yes, and probably most of them could think of more important things to do with the money. Even if only helping the underprivileged in the country, who are often from those backgrounds anyway, rather than most of the reparations probably ending up with the rich.
Yes, and probably most of them could think of more important things to do with the money. Even if only helping the underprivileged in the country, who are often from those backgrounds anyway, rather than most of the reparations probably ending up with the rich.
I am a lowland scot, and my forebears were brutalised by the english many years ago, where do I apply for my compensation?
Caution, I am feral.
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